427: Milano Cookies

Matthew Amster-Burton 0:03

I'm Molly and I'm Matthew

Molly 0:05

and this is spilled milk, the show where we open a bunch of bags of cookies and eat them

Matthew Amster-Burton 0:10

and you can't have any. And this episode is about milanos. Yeah,

Molly 0:14

the Pepperidge Farm cookie mellado. You may be familiar with it.

Matthew Amster-Burton 0:18

How do milanos right even before we get into memory lane, like where do milanos fall on your pantheon of Pepperidge Farm cookies? What's your favorite Pepperidge Farm cookie?

Molly 0:28

So right now as an adult, the only one I really buy is a Mulana but as a kid, I thought getting Pepperidge Farm cookies felt very special but much more special and we'll talk more about this much more special than like getting a you know a thing of like soft batch cookies right ever. But I remember you know, some of the Pepperidge Farm cookies are larger and so they come in like,

Matthew Amster-Burton 0:51

like a square they come bag. Yeah,

Molly 0:53

it's a shorter squatter bag. It's a squatter squatter bags up there and just starts hanging out in your kitchen. I

Matthew Amster-Burton 1:01

think man it's like a bag you carry when you are a squatter that just has like your most bare necessities it

Molly 1:06

well. Yes, that to cookies, cookies, so they had a particular type of cookie that came in that bag. It was called on Nantucket.

Matthew Amster-Burton 1:15

Oh, yeah,

Molly 1:15

yeah. And it was a crunchy chocolate chunk cookie. It had nuts. Maybe No, I know the one without nuts. It had like, these were big chunks of chocolate. And I think this was early in the era of like putting chunks of chocolate. Yes.

Matthew Amster-Burton 1:30

Yeah, those were good. And

Molly 1:32

so even though they were crunchy, there was something about the way the chocolate like melted in your mouth. They were really good. Yeah. So I think as a kid I would have been torn between the Milan Oh, the Nantucket and then there was also Is it the Geneva that was open faced with chocolate and then with chopped up nuts on top.

Matthew Amster-Burton 1:49

Yes, I know which one you mean at the Geneva? Maybe it definitely was in the European collection. Yeah.

Molly 1:54

Okay, what about you?

Matthew Amster-Burton 1:55

So I think my favorite is the Brussels which is the one that's like like a thin sandwich cookie kind of like a layer of chocolate in the middle and like I know

Molly 2:07

describing a Milan Oh, no,

Matthew Amster-Burton 2:09

it's round. It's circular. Okay, and it's in the texture of the cookie is like is like Clint crispy and caramella nubbly kind of

Molly 2:17

Oh, that sounds really good. Good.

Matthew Amster-Burton 2:19

Alright, this is not huge. I don't know it's a good question. I think the Brussels is overall a better cookie than the Milan Oh, it doesn't look as good is one thing. Okay, it's more it looks like more of like a cookie you dropped. But maybe this isn't the Milan episode. Maybe this is the bras it also it only comes in one flavor whereas I bought five flavors of Milan. Oh, it was and I could have I didn't have to get out there. Today we're

Molly 2:44

focusing on the Milano but I think that the message that you and I are receiving from the universe today is we need to do a broader Pepperidge Farm cookie. Yes thing that that excludes milanos

Matthew Amster-Burton 2:58

yes with extreme prejudice.

Molly 3:00

Love saying extreme prejudice my favorites. Every episode. I think maybe it does. Yeah. Okay.

Matthew Amster-Burton 3:06

So Oh, yeah. So memory lane. I definitely I definitely ate these as a kid along with other Pepperidge Farm cookies. And yeah, they seem special because they were like, fancier and probably more expensive than then like an Oreo or a Chips Ahoy.

Molly 3:18

And they came in, you know, the Danish butter cookies that come in attend. Sure. And they come in little, like, muffin papers.

Matthew Amster-Burton 3:26

Yes. Yeah. Which these

Molly 3:29

papers and there was something really special about that, that they weren't just like, all jumbled up in the bag.

Matthew Amster-Burton 3:34

That is true. If you opened a bag of mulatos and they were just like tossed in there haphazardly. I would feel so weird.

Molly 3:42

They for one thing, it's amazing the work that the muffin paper does to keep them like looking good. Right. And like even the ones at the bottom of the bag are like quite on damaged. By the way.

Matthew Amster-Burton 3:55

I I hope the mulatto bag is fairly waterproof because I was coming home from Safeway last night and it was very rainy. Yeah, and and I just had like your basic shag Canvas shopping bag and they were all splashed with water when I got home.

Molly 4:09

Let's talk about my childhood. Oh, please. Okay, so yeah, I talked a second ago about actually I already talked about my childhood. But

Matthew Amster-Burton 4:16

now I want to talk about my young adulthood.

Molly 4:19

I want to talk about my memory lane now. So I hadn't thought about Pepperidge Farm cookies in a long time. And I don't tend to buy many packaged cookies because I like baking a lot. And so I tend to have like baked goods at home at any given time. Okay, so it had been a long time since I bought packaged cookies, but I was away on Whidbey Island writing last winter Matthew, one of our local islands. This was last January, so over a year ago. And I think that I was at the grocery store there and I think I might have sent you a photograph of the Pepperidge Farm cookie shelf in the star Mark In Langley, Washington and

Matthew Amster-Burton 5:01

maybe I did

Molly 5:03

I asked you which one I should go and you said double dark chocolate Milan Oh

Matthew Amster-Burton 5:08

wow. My past me as smart I

Molly 5:11

needed something I needed. So you know at night after like writing all day and I was really struggling I also tend to not sleep. When I'm writing a lot I it's hard for me to sleep and so I was dealing with some real insomnia, which then heads into depression for me really fast. So I'm alone out in this house on an island and I was like, Matthew, I need some cookies. Yeah,

Matthew Amster-Burton 5:30

yeah. And so

Molly 5:32

you told me to get the double dark chocolate Milan out and it started a whole new relationship for me. Oh, that's great Pepperidge Farm milanos and so now well, so I went back to that same house on Whidbey two more times. And each time I bought double dark chocolate milanos it was like my thing that I would eat at night after dinner. And and I now tend to buy them maybe like every third time I'm at the grocery store.

Matthew Amster-Burton 5:59

That sounds great.

Molly 6:00

Yeah, so anyway, I've had a real real coming home to Pepperidge Farm Mulana cook

Matthew Amster-Burton 6:06

Yeah, that double dark chocolate is definitely one of my favorites. We also got another of my favorites and we'll we'll see how it goes. How I feel after after the tasting here. You know how I gave you a at your request a cookbook for your birthday with some of some of my favorite recipes. And what I wanted what I went for my birthday is just like a list from you of like, all of the things I've done for you.

Molly 6:27

Oh, god, there's so many Matthew, hold on. I'm gonna start it after the episode today because there are I was just thinking, just now as you were making me tea in your kitchen before this episode started I was like Matthew gives me so much

Matthew Amster-Burton 6:43

this will be this will be nice. Like, like, you know, all kidding aside, although you can put stupid like, like, dumb Joe.

Molly 6:49

Yeah, I'll put dumb jokes in there too.

Matthew Amster-Burton 6:51

But yeah, like, I'll do one for you. Also,

Molly 6:53

it's fine. You don't have to do one for me because I feel like in our relationship you are I think of you as a uniquely generous person.

Matthew Amster-Burton 7:02

I don't think that's true at all.

Molly 7:04

You are wrong.

Matthew Amster-Burton 7:06

Okay. All right. Um, back to cookies. Okay, you did some research here. These are like European sales. So you have to renounce it cookies, there's a new route.

Molly 7:17

Okay. Anyway, so um, so,

Matthew Amster-Burton 7:21

you know how in the New Yorker, they when they when they

Molly 7:24

re coordinator Yeah, whatever.

Matthew Amster-Burton 7:26

Like, what if that you did that on cookies and it was it was like cookies.

Molly 7:33

Okay, so anyway, these are made by Pepperidge Farm, obviously, they're part of their series of quote unquote, European cookies. And I like that this showed up in quotes on Wikipedia, because I don't think any of these cookies are our actual European cookies.

Matthew Amster-Burton 7:47

You don't you don't think the molano like actually comes from Milan from centuries ago? I don't think so. Do you know when these are from like when these were introduced? Oh,

Molly 7:57

I don't God I should have looked that up. I learned

Matthew Amster-Burton 8:00

something really surprising recently. Um, you know, our our favorite donut and Mr. donut in Japan. The pondering donut. Yeah, that you break apart into little balls and they got a great chewy texture. That donut was introduced in 2003. Really? Yes. And Mr. donut has been in Japan for like 50 years.

Molly 8:17

Wow. So

Matthew Amster-Burton 8:18

what's new donut?

Molly 8:20

Wow, it's a new class. It's

Matthew Amster-Burton 8:22

a new class. Alright, so

Molly 8:23

anyway, for those who don't know, a Milano consists of two I struggled with how to describe the texture of these cookies there. They are. crumbly. They're kind of short Brady and texture but not as rich as shortbread. I wouldn't call them a butter cookie. I'd call them a vanilla cookie. Anyway, yeah. to like, oval shaped crispy cookies with a thin layer of chocolate in the middle at least that is the original. And apparently it's the descendant of a different Pepperidge Farm cookie the Naples

Matthew Amster-Burton 8:54

I wrote that

Molly 8:56

angle vanilla wafer cookie with dark chocolate on top

Matthew Amster-Burton 8:58

oh I can open face mulato.

Molly 9:00

Yeah, I don't know if it still exists.

Matthew Amster-Burton 9:02

I think I so

Molly 9:05

it sounds good. So I would put the chocolate face down on my tongue

Matthew Amster-Burton 9:09

what's the one that is that is just like kind of a short square rectangular shortbread wafers. I'd Bordeaux

Molly 9:16

I don't know but we're gonna do a whole show so we'll find out because

Matthew Amster-Burton 9:19

I think at one point they made a chocolate topped version of that which I thought was a very good that's

Molly 9:23

like a petite loo cookie.

Matthew Amster-Burton 9:25

Yeah, it's like a patina. Cool. Yeah, except the chocolate layer is much thinner on the on the Pepperidge Farm.

Molly 9:30

Oh, okay. Okay. Anyway, so the mulatto is trademarked, you may have noticed and apparently they have filed lawsuits against imitators so look out people. Anyway, so

Matthew Amster-Burton 9:41

so not just the word but but the form of the cookie itself?

Molly 9:45

I think so. Yeah. So these have been so here's the thing like Pepperidge Farm has marketed itself as a like a premium cookie, right, like better than your keibler or your whatever than your key Well so, so the the ad wizards at Pepperidge Farm, they decided to market this as an every day indulgence food and here is a really irritating quote from a Pepperidge Farm marketing person. We wanted consumers to think of Mulana more often. So our aim was to associate the cookie with something women might do on a regular basis. I think they should have called it like the menstruation cookie

Matthew Amster-Burton 10:28

right that's the thing that's the thing many women do on a regular basis.

Molly 10:30

The objective held on this is the rest of the quote the objective was not just to reach the target audience, women aged 35 plus but to reach them at times when a Milan Oh, Cookie would be the perfect indulgence now, I feel targeted. I feel like I bought this hook line and sinker. I think you did when I was on Whidbey Island okay, but

Matthew Amster-Burton 10:49

But did you did it say like what? What are the activities that they wanted to try and associate the cookie with other than menstruation?

Molly 10:58

Probably pedicures pad probably

Matthew Amster-Burton 10:59

their toe shape. It's true. They are very large toes. Not that there's anything wrong with that

Molly 11:06

if you stepped on a toe and spread it out under your weight.

Matthew Amster-Burton 11:11

Like if you stepped on your own toe or somebody else's toe. Don't do that. That's mean.

Molly 11:16

Oh God, Matthew. Things that that. Marketing execs think women do all the time.

Matthew Amster-Burton 11:25

Oh, um, well, I guess like shop for cookies. Yeah. Anyways, it really bothers me somehow that that they got you they

Molly 11:35

got me. Yeah. Do you remember the ad from the late 90s when a mom finally gets a moment of peace to eat her milanos but she discovers that someone has raided her hidden stash.

Matthew Amster-Burton 11:45

I don't remember that ad. Should we watch it now?

Molly 11:49

No, it's okay. I think I know what it is. Are there any foods you hide from your family? Do people do this?

Matthew Amster-Burton 11:54

I think people do do this. I think I mean I'm sure some people do. I don't but there are foods that I hope my family doesn't get to before I do but I don't want to like lay down an edict you know? Yeah, like but but like if I if as recently I did, if I buy a Trader Joe's 30% whole hazelnut milk chocolate bar. I want my family to get to enjoy some squares that chocolate bar I kind of want to make sure I get the last square though.

Molly 12:23

Yeah, yeah, I agree. I feel that okay,

Matthew Amster-Burton 12:26

maybe I should hide the last square except then I would be hiding the first square but then it would become the last square

Molly 12:32

well and then the other thing is you have to eat it when your family is out because what are you going to do like reach up onto the top of your cabinet and pull it out and be like that's

Matthew Amster-Burton 12:40

right yet like I there's this whole this whole like morality play kind of unfolding in my mind where like you know they they go into the into the root cellar and there's the the bar with one square missing from it and and conclude, oh, Matthew like ate a square of this and left them and left some for us. Like it gets eaten over the next few days. And then like a couple days later, I pull out the square that I've had in hiding and just eat it very ostentatious late.

Molly 13:13

Matthew, you and I just shared a milk chocolate Mulana, which I think was a waste of chewing.

Matthew Amster-Burton 13:18

It's not it was not good.

Molly 13:20


Matthew Amster-Burton 13:21

it surprises me.

Molly 13:22

It was really not very good. Also, it's been so long since I've had anything but the double dark chocolate. I was very surprised by how little chocolate there was. I'm so used to the double dark chocolate. Well, I

Matthew Amster-Burton 13:33

mean, it's like it's it's really like a quarter of the chocolate because it's milk chocolate and so half of it is milk. Yeah. And it's half as thick.

Molly 13:41

Yeah. Okay, hold on. So what why did they persist it in making these bags this way they are able to open.

Matthew Amster-Burton 13:49

Maybe they think that women over 35 are really good at opening bags, which they're probably on average they are.

Molly 13:58

No, I love the way you bite. I love that. Okay, and then you hit the like, hard chocolate. Yep. And then it yields and then it melts on your this is a great cookie.

Matthew Amster-Burton 14:09

Yeah, that's what's wrong with the melt chocolate. It's it's that the the chocolate layer is so thin. You just bite right through it and doesn't have any resistance. Join the resistance.

Molly 14:18

This is a great cookie, huh? Yeah. But now I really do want to try the Brussels. Oh, hold on. What else do you have?

Matthew Amster-Burton 14:24

I can run to the store and get Brussels now I can run to Brussels.

Molly 14:28

Then we miss out on doing a whole other episode

Matthew Amster-Burton 14:30

three. All right. Okay,

Molly 14:32

hold on. So milanos

Matthew Amster-Burton 14:34

Yeah, well,

Molly 14:34

there's there's more over there.

Matthew Amster-Burton 14:36

Yes. Which ones we do next? We didn't really talk about how we were going to cheese plate. These remaining flavors. We've had milk chocolate. We've had double dark chocolate. The other ones I bought were raspberry, chocolate, mint, chocolate and coconut chocolate.

Molly 14:48

I think we do. Mint next. Okay, can I tell you about some of the other flavors

Matthew Amster-Burton 14:53

I learned about you? Yeah, I was hoping I would find some wackier flavors. I didn't

Molly 14:57

here's what's confusing to me. So I'm gonna I'm gonna list off these do they all also involve chocolate? Are there any milanos that are just sandwich cookies that have no chocolate that just have something else? Because this is confusing to me like so. toasted marshmallow is one of the flavors

Matthew Amster-Burton 15:16

I think they all do have chocolate.

Molly 15:18

Okay then there's salted caramel Banana.

Matthew Amster-Burton 15:22

Banana sounds good,

Molly 15:23

but not banana flavor. No

Matthew Amster-Burton 15:25

no like I'm skeptical of the raspberry one because I don't know how they're going to get the fruit flavoring into a dry cookie in a way that satisfying.

Molly 15:33

Oh, I think that there's raspberry jam in there. But in between the cookies,

Matthew Amster-Burton 15:37

but but like raspberry jam that's been sitting in a bag for months.

Unknown Speaker 15:41


Matthew Amster-Burton 15:44

That's a good cookie. This has meant Hmm. Texture wise it is not as good as the double dark chocolate if they made a double dark chocolate mint. That would be the best one. Mm hmm.

Molly 15:55

Huh. This is really good though. It pushes the grasshopper buttons without no smooth or cookie texture.

Matthew Amster-Burton 16:05

Love pushing the grasshopper buttons. out what that means? Wait,

Molly 16:10

here's some other flavors lemon.

Matthew Amster-Burton 16:12

I think that seems like a really bad idea. Unless Unless he didn't have chocolate and then it might be great.

Molly 16:18

Okay. And then they have seasonal flavors. like candy cane.

Matthew Amster-Burton 16:23

I've seen that one key lime have not seen what season is that?

Molly 16:28

Maybe winter Okay. Well cuz isn't that when there would be key limes growing in Florida?

Matthew Amster-Burton 16:33

I think so.

Molly 16:34

And pumpkin spice. But like key lime and chocolate like I know people get into citrus and chocolate but

Matthew Amster-Burton 16:41

so I've got them a lot. Oh, here not what that's

Molly 16:43

the raspberry one. That's not what I expected.

Matthew Amster-Burton 16:45

Oh, you expected me to go coconut next. No,

Molly 16:47

I expected it to have raspberry jam.

Matthew Amster-Burton 16:50

I don't see how it could how it would be raspberry jam it without like drying up.

Molly 16:55

Well, but last you think about like the inside of a pop tart. Okay, you're right, but that's completely enclosed.

Matthew Amster-Burton 17:06

That's okay. At first I thought this is bad.

Molly 17:10

You know, it tastes like you dumped a Mulana and raspberry yogurt. It does. And it tastes like raspberry yogurt.

Matthew Amster-Burton 17:18

Weird and raspberry yogurt is good. So I kind of like this. It's not one of my favorites, but

Molly 17:24

it's weird. I'm like, What? What?

Matthew Amster-Burton 17:27

That's an interesting way to go about it though to make like a layer of dried raspberry yogurt. pace.

Molly 17:34

I don't like that. I don't like that. No.

Matthew Amster-Burton 17:40

Where's there?

Molly 17:42

The more that the more of these the weeds the more I'm like, what's the point? It seems like things have gone too far.

Matthew Amster-Burton 17:51

And this, this is symbolic of how society has gone off.

Molly 17:55

Yes, I watched Joker recently and I'm still recovering.

Matthew Amster-Burton 18:02

This is so copper Tony. Oh. Oh. Oh, it gets better. Oh, it gets better. It does get better. Job. Oh, the coconut hit you up front with a real coconut oil like like coconut extract punch. And then yeah, then it gets macaroni. A few minutes with maca. Rooney. Hmm, I'm cranky. That's my impression of Andy Rooney. Oh, okay. Like I was gonna say, like they they don't have a show that just has a segment by by an old man ranting at the end anymore. But that's kind of like every 60 minutes. He was 60 minutes. Yeah.

Molly 18:47

Is that show still on?

Matthew Amster-Burton 18:48

60 minutes is still on. But Andy Rooney died a long time ago. Oh, so now Do they have anybody doing a cranky opinion thing at the end? I haven't watched 60 minutes since probably 1987. But I'm going to say I don't think so. But but their whole shows were like a ranting old man is the whole point of the show. Yeah. Rush Limbaugh. Yeah, exactly.

Molly 19:11

And you can win the Presidential Medal of Freedom for it.

Matthew Amster-Burton 19:14

Yes, that's true. Cool.

Molly 19:16

Oh, god. I'm sorry, Matthew. This administration has been terrible for podcasting.

Matthew Amster-Burton 19:22

What about America? What about other pod political podcasts that I don't listen to? I

Molly 19:29

need to listen to pod save America. I've never listened to it. They're not they're not paying for this non ad by the way.

Matthew Amster-Burton 19:35

That's true. Were there cookies like like, you know, shelf stable cookies that you didn't like as a kid or? Or was any cookie a good cookie? I have never liked Chips Ahoy. That's why

Molly 19:48

I was Chips Ahoy was the first thing I thought I so Chips Ahoy is strange because it has a uniquely Chips Ahoy flavor. It doesn't taste like a chocolate chip cookie. And I did not like it as a kid. But then when I was a teenager I kind of came around to liking it for what it was. I think at that time they were making mini ones too and you could buy like a whole bag of them.

Matthew Amster-Burton 20:14

Oh, you're thinking of Cookie Crisp cereal?

Molly 20:16

No, no, that's different. No, there were like it was some kind of I feel like it came in a box like Teddy Grahams dad or something. Oh, yeah, I think you're right. And I liked that.

Matthew Amster-Burton 20:28

Did you like Teddy Grahams? We like it. Yeah, is it true I seem to remember this coming up recently not on our show that the the mascot of cookie crisps started out as a burglar and then later became a wizard

Molly 20:44

it's like a natural trajectory.

Matthew Amster-Burton 20:46

I don't I don't know if like if we're supposed to believe that the burglar himself became a wizard or if like just got swapped out for a new character.

Molly 20:55

There used to be a lot of burglars and advertise

Matthew Amster-Burton 20:57

Yes. Like like the the tricks rabbit was that a burglar? No, he

Molly 21:04

just was a trickster. Silly rabbit tricks are for kids.

Matthew Amster-Burton 21:08

Wait so the hamburglar of course they're all they're always after me Lucky Charms is that was that the burglars who were after the lucky What did to can Sam do? Was Tony the Tiger had stripes? Was he a burglar?

Molly 21:28

Many new cereals like other other than health food cereals? Or have there been many new cereals like and are they still using animal mascots or like you know mythical creatures like

Matthew Amster-Burton 21:40

leprechauns and episodes?

Molly 21:41

That's a good question Jackalope cereal

Matthew Amster-Burton 21:44

very crunchy just got the real texture of antlers there are there are new like like you know they'll do like limited edition Star Wars serial and I always

Molly 21:54

think that usually like some version of Captain Crunch or something.

Matthew Amster-Burton 21:58

I think it's usually Yeah. Or like some version of Lucky Charms because it has marshmallow shaped like Star Wars droids or something. I have there been any new hit cereals in in I think

Molly 22:11

that our listeners could tell I think so. But that Wow. That's a really good question. facebook.com slash spilled milk podcast. Let us know.

Matthew Amster-Burton 22:19

Yeah. Okay, anything so so when we do our Pepperidge Farm Omnibus episode where mulatos will be excluded. Under no uncertain terms, no mulatos are gonna pull out when we do that episode we're gonna pull out a bag of a lot of that it's gonna be so transgressive Okay, so we're gonna Brussels we're gonna have possibly Bordeaux if that's the thing I'm thinking Oh, my foot again. Nantucket Nantucket and maybe some other ones in like the American small towns

Molly 22:51

are the short squatty ones. Are those the American cookies they

Matthew Amster-Burton 22:53

are cuz Yeah, cuz

Molly 22:56

tall and lanky.

Matthew Amster-Burton 22:58

Yeah, the, I don't know. I didn't design the packaging. It seems like you're trying to hold me responsible for this stuff out. Yeah, I remember Sausalito and Nantucket I don't remember any of the others maybe. Fort Collins

Molly 23:16

that was a mountain shaped cookies

Matthew Amster-Burton 23:17

or mountain shaped cookie.

Molly 23:20

Around Yeah, a macaroon which mulatto has attempted to make here but I did not go I still taste it in my mouth and I don't like it. But

Matthew Amster-Burton 23:27

I get what you think you think this was deliberately macaroon inspired?

Molly 23:31

I think that coconut and chocolate is often echoing a macaroon

Matthew Amster-Burton 23:37

when I was a kid chocolate chip macaroons were a cookie that my mom would make. And that was a real special treat.

Molly 23:43

I love chocolate dipped macaroons and I made them in ages now. Me

Matthew Amster-Burton 23:47

neither. Like that was a real 90s 80s cookie. I feel like

Molly 23:52

I got really into it in the late 90s early 2000s I got into it through eating the giant chocolate dipped macaroons at Max's in the Bay Area.

Matthew Amster-Burton 24:00

Did you when you have made them? Did you temper the chocolate?

Molly 24:04

Absolutely. No,

Matthew Amster-Burton 24:05

I think I tempered chocolate one I've never tempered chocolate. Okay, you're well I buy one. But no but you're you're the cool one because like I'm too cool to temper chocolate temper

Molly 24:16

I just let the chocolate cool on its own in my cool presence

Matthew Amster-Burton 24:20

rather than it gets all like like white and powdery on the outside.

Molly 24:25

Well I would I would make a ganache from it so of

Matthew Amster-Burton 24:29

course you think Did I tell you when we were on our way back from Japan I stopped at the airport gift shop and they have this this thing that I've seen but and maybe I think once bought as a gift but I've never bought for myself and it's like totally gift package so it feels super indulgent to buy it for yourself and it's called Royce nama choco and it's which means fresh chocolate and I don't like what is that even mean? But I want to find out

Molly 24:56

wait now my like like draught beer

Matthew Amster-Burton 24:58

Yeah, like like Fresh

Molly 25:00

oh so when I was ordering nama I was just ordering fresh.

Matthew Amster-Burton 25:03

Yeah. And so and so I bought it and and we all the Amster-Burton Sal gathered around and open the box and what it is, is genius. It is a big square of ghanoush that's been cut into like 25 little squares, maybe 16 little squares. And so you're just eating like squares of Guinness, which is all I ever wanted out of life, is to just have permission to just eat Kadosh in the airport is so good. It's very expensive. It was like $8 for 16 little little nibbles. Wow. But I recommend it without reservation.

Molly 25:44

I like it when you say little nibbles. Yeah.

Matthew Amster-Burton 25:47

Like I could be a pass. I know we talked about this on last week's episode, but like that could be a past hors d'oeuvre. Like if I'd walked around the airport with little nibbles. Like toothpicks sticking out of it. Yeah, like little nipples, everybody. I would have been arrested. Yeah. Okay. You can find us at spellbound podcast calm and facebook.com slash build node podcast we want to hear about what what if your town was a cookie? What kind of cookie would it be?

Molly 26:17

Okay, what would Seattle be?

Matthew Amster-Burton 26:20

I don't know. Like Like, like trail mix mashed into a cookie shape. Yeah, I

Molly 26:24

think you're right. Okay. All right. Um, our producer is Abby, circuit Ella.

Matthew Amster-Burton 26:28

You can find us on Instagram at spilled milk podcast. Please rate and review this show wherever you get it. And until next time, thank you for listening to spilled milk. It's a me Sausalito. What?

Molly 26:43

Thinking of like, where your everyday indulgence?

Matthew Amster-Burton 26:46

Yeah, we're, we're your everyday indulgence. Women over 35 tune in once a week. That's essentially correct. Oh,

Molly 26:56

I'm Molly wiser.

Matthew Amster-Burton 26:57

I'm Matthew Amster-Burton.

Let's Milano