498: Sunflower Seeds

Molly 0:03

Live. And I'm Molly

Matthew Amster-Burton 0:05

and this is spilled milk, the show where we cook something delicious. Eat it all and you can't have any. Today

Molly 0:11

we are talking about, I would say like a universally beloved snack food and that is sunflower seeds.

Matthew Amster-Burton 0:18

Yeah, it's one of the top seeds. Like if you you know, if you've read buds feeds like 11 top seeds you need to know you might think that's something to do with like, like March Madness brackets or something. No, but no, it's it's about poppy seeds, sunflower seeds with some other seeds that you see. Right? It's actually turned out it was the top two seeds you need to know.

Molly 0:40

Okay, okay. So, Matthew, let's go down memory lane here. Indeed. Yeah. Okay, so I'm going to start it off. I have never actually, this will surprise no one actually. What am I What am I doing with this big lead and I've never hold a sunflower seed with my teeth. And I never know if I have either. I've never like eaten these things as a snack. My memory lane of sunflower seeds. It contains three things none of which are snacking sunflower seeds. Okay. One of those things is David do company from X Files.

Matthew Amster-Burton 1:17

Was he a sunflower seed?

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Molly 1:19

The thing with um, I never watched the show. Okay. Yeah, he was constantly eating sunflower seeds. Oh, anyway, so yeah, great character trait.

Matthew Amster-Burton 1:29

I feel like I know so much more about him now.

Molly 1:31

Yeah. So anyway, David to company an X Files, salad bars, salad bars always have hold sunflower seeds, especially if you go to like, Hey, I actually I'm just gonna leave it there all. Oh, yeah. I

Matthew Amster-Burton 1:45

salad rice. Yeah, all of the three remaining salad bars in the world. Yes, have sunflower seeds.

Molly 1:52

And then of course, you know, all the CD breads out there. The oat not the health nut, the nine grain like a lot of those have sunflower seeds.

Matthew Amster-Burton 2:01

We talked about this before. But there there's been some grain inflation in the CD bread aisle. I just came up with that phrase while I was saying it and I've never been prouder of myself ever.

Molly 2:11

Okay, so let's work on on financial terms like grain inflation. in financial

Matthew Amster-Burton 2:17

terms. How

Molly 2:18

does the inflation work here

Matthew Amster-Burton 2:20

is that they're putting larger numbers of grains into the loaves that like it used to be the most you would see was like ninth grade, and now sometimes you see like 27th grade?

Molly 2:29

Yes. It's like It's like bicycles. When I was a kid, it was like yes, that's the greatest number of gears you might have is like, like, you might have a 10 speed break. Right? I have a 21 speed bike and I don't even know how to use like 18 of the

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Matthew Amster-Burton 2:44

No and like compared to people with a 27 speed bike you're probably missing out on some really important shifting.

Molly 2:50

Oh, yeah, I mean, I am a total loser. No, but seriously, I do actually know how to use the the integrated shifting on my bicycle.

Matthew Amster-Burton 2:57

Yeah, that's probably warded off a bunch of emails.

Molly 3:00

Yeah, no, guys, don't worry. I know how to change the gears. I know how to use them. I live in a place with hills. Yes. Don't worry, that was just me, you know, exaggerating, but all this to say my memory lane includes no snacking, sunflower seeds.

Matthew Amster-Burton 3:15

Now my memory lane. I definitely snacked on these as a kid I don't think there was something I would snack on at home. But like, you know, after like a sporting event, I know we talked about this last time Gatorade like they would be like, like, you know the snack food that would get you through sporting sporting event. Events. They would be hauled. I don't know why I think maybe I have my brain is still on last week's episode, which was gate array.

Molly 3:38

There I was. I was just picturing the Gatorade shower, except as a sunflower seed shower. So yeah, the coach of the winning team just gets like a whole like 40 pound bag of sunflower seeds. You

Matthew Amster-Burton 3:50

don't get that in your eye. I really actually now that I think about it associated more with preschool and kindergarten like that. That is when that was like sunflower seeds Central. Okay. And there would be Yeah, out of the hall. I don't know if I've ever like cracked into one with my teeth either. I feel like I must have at some point. I live on Earth.

Molly 4:08

So when you say like a preschool or kindergarten snack, you mean like when you were in preschool or kindergarten?

Matthew Amster-Burton 4:14

Right? Your mother opened a preschool and just like put a sign out said neighborhood kids just like just show up here. Fun. We had

Molly 4:22

you were you know, you were like a stay at home dad. And so I know you made a lot of kindergarten and preschool snacks.

Matthew Amster-Burton 4:29

That's true. No, I never sent sunflower seeds as a snack. But I sent sunflower seed butter as a peanut butter alternative. That's right,

Molly 4:38

because sunflower seeds are not usually allergenic.

Matthew Amster-Burton 4:41

Right? Yeah, I mean, I'm sure I'm sure they are sometimes but much less commonly than than peanuts. Okay. Okay. By the way, we should mention that we're recording this on the hottest day in Seattle history. So if we sound like slower, more lethargic, less coherent than usual. That's probably Probably a factor.

Molly 5:01

Matthew, what's the temperature in your apartment today?

Matthew Amster-Burton 5:03

I don't know. We were I was talking about this last night with wife of the show Laurie about how like if you have like a modern thermostat like system you probably know all the time what your internal temperature is I mean of your apartment, not your not your body. But we do not have that. And so I don't know, like probably 90 ish.

Molly 5:20

We have a dial I mean, we have like our system is about as old as though that's old school. Yeah, we have a dial. But there's like one level that that's where you set it. Where it actually is. So yours doesn't show you where it actually is. Where it actually is. Okay, that's like our that's like the the thermostat in the the formerly red carpeted love dungeon. Right? That is an unmarked dial that you just turn until you hear it click

Matthew Amster-Burton 5:48

right but does it have a part on the dial that says comfort zone? Yes, it does, too. Yeah, yeah, we got like the comfort zone is like way too high. I think like, Oh, we did you know for its own? Yeah, no, like we would never I mean, I'm not going to turn the heat on today. But like, even when it's cold, like we never turned on beyond like the very bottom of the comfort zone.

Molly 6:09

Hold on. Can I talk about sunscreen for just a minute? Absolutely. So we live near we live not too far from a beach on Puget Sound. So even though you know they say you're supposed to stay indoors when it's like this hot here. We have been going to the beach because there's actually at least a breeze there. We set up our sun shade and we sit in the shade. But all this to say my favorite sunscreen brand. Stop making their sunscreen.

Matthew Amster-Burton 6:34

Oh no.

Molly 6:35

I know. And we're I've got like 16 cubic feet of the whitest of white skin.

Matthew Amster-Burton 6:41

I couldn't name any brands of sunscreen other than banana boat and copper.

Molly 6:47

Oh man, I have gone through so many of them in an effort to not want to vomit when touching my own skin.

Matthew Amster-Burton 6:53

Skin Aqua. That's the Japanese sunscreen.

Molly 6:55

Oh, yeah. My mom has some of that too. I think she's bought it in Tokyo. Yeah. Anyway, but Matthew, in the past two days, I have gone through an entire three ounce, two of my favorite sons. Oh, yeah. And I think that the heat has like really done something to my brain, you know, for obvious reasons, because I went on to that huge corporate mega website that shall not be named Sharon, and ordered another like monster.com monster.com ordered another five tubes of this sunscreen. And it's supposed to arrive today. But yesterday, a shipment of two tubes arrived. Turned out that I had ordered two tubes of this sunscreen like three days ago and had already forgotten it. By the time I ordered another five tubes. So anyway, the heat is really taking its toll on us.

Matthew Amster-Burton 7:49

But I mean, at least you ordered like something useful.

Molly 7:52

That's true. I'm still as pale as I ever was. So I guess I'm doing I'm doing all right. Yeah, it's worked out for my myself.

Matthew Amster-Burton 7:59

Alright, so you want to talk about sunflower seeds. We could just talk about hot days.

Molly 8:04

Okay. Hold on. So, Matthew. All right. I want to talk about sunflower seeds. Okay. I am like really confused about the terms husk and

Matthew Amster-Burton 8:14

hole. I'm so glad you brought this up.

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Molly 8:18

even defined them on the agenda. So we're going to get there but let's get right into it. So in this episode, we are talking about snacking sunflower seeds, okay. And we're gonna not start oil seeds.

Matthew Amster-Burton 8:30

Is that the distinction you're making?

Molly 8:31

Yeah, we're not talking about oil seeds. So let me let's get right into the botany of this. Because if there's one thing I love more than corporate history, it's botany.

Matthew Amster-Burton 8:40

Yeah, no, me too.

Molly 8:41

So like, what are these things? Do they actually come from sunflowers?

Matthew Amster-Burton 8:45

Yes. Wait, was

Molly 8:46

this a quiz? Well, you researched That's true. This tiny part of it. Okay. Yes,

Matthew Amster-Burton 8:51

they are literally the seeds of the common sunflower. helianthus. us and us.

Molly 8:56

I was about to Well, I was about to have a sunflower in my yard this year.

Matthew Amster-Burton 9:02

clearly something went wrong.

Molly 9:04

So my friend Joe he started some seeds in the spring and brought me three sunflowers that had sprouted one was like a match sunflower it was going to be a big boy sunflower love those big boys. They totally died. But But anyway, so yeah, I could

Matthew Amster-Burton 9:21

have like harvested the seed? I think so. And they come out of like the face of the sunflower

Molly 9:27

the face. Yeah, really? Yes. But hold on, like the term sunflower seed is a misnomer. Right. Right. So

Matthew Amster-Burton 9:34

the thing inside the hall is the seed by seed in its hole like when you pick up like a crunchy boy in its Hall. That's not a sunflower seed. That's a sip Sella

Molly 9:48

what what we're talking about just the stuff like that the inedible stuff on the outside

Matthew Amster-Burton 9:53

the know you know the the inedible stuff on the outside with the seed inside together. Makes sip Salah.

Molly 10:01

And why do we need to distinguish a sip Salah from a seed

Matthew Amster-Burton 10:05

because we are professional botanists. Oh that's right that's why we get paid the big academic box Yes. or perish I've always said just because like every every

Molly 10:20

type of I love a good academia joke

Matthew Amster-Burton 10:26

was a joke

Molly 10:30

Did I ever tell you that I used to be an editorial assistant for the journal cultural anthropology? You did tell me that yes. So I was like the one who was having to constantly email people who had agreed to review to the journal and like, but this was like so loaded because everyone is like, publish or perish?

Matthew Amster-Burton 10:50

Oh, yeah, did email these people and say like, you need to peer review this paper, because otherwise the author will perish?

Molly 10:57

Yes, yes. Okay. But anyway, all right. Okay, so this whole thing the seed in its hole is a sip Salah?

Matthew Amster-Burton 11:05

Yeah. And it's just one of those things where like, botanists have a different name for every kind of fruit. And like every kind of fruit is unique in some ways. So the the fruit of something in the Astor family is is a sip Salah,

Molly 11:18

okay, I want to get into the difference between a husk and a whole I

Matthew Amster-Burton 11:21

want to get into that. Okay.

Molly 11:23

So you know, both of these words can be used as nouns, or they can be used as verbs. Yeah, that's true. Okay, so, let's talk about the nouns first. So here's what the internet told me that when the word is used as a noun, a hole is the outer covering of a fruit or seed, okay, check that applies to this, right?

Matthew Amster-Burton 11:43

Yeah, right here by the way,

Molly 11:46

okay. Whereas a husk is the dry leafy or stringy exterior of certain vegetables or fruits which must be removed before eating the meat inside So, so like corn husk, a corn, a corn or tomatillo There we go, okay. And then so as verbs to hold something means to remove the outer covering of a fruit or seeds specifically, whereas to husk is to remove the husk.

Matthew Amster-Burton 12:14

Yeah, I got I got into this at one point with sesame seeds and I'm sure we talked about this on the sesame seed episode, but like there's no unambiguous way to describe the sesame seeds that have the hall still on them without using a phrase like the ones that have the hall still on them. Because if you say hold,

Molly 12:30

then it sounds like they have been hole right which

Matthew Amster-Burton 12:33

probably that is what that means. But then what do you say meaning? Like if you say on hold,

Molly 12:38

do you say holes on I would say holes installs

Matthew Amster-Burton 12:40

on everybody? Like this? Is this is the this is not a drill holes on?

Molly 12:48

Okay, so anyway, and then the edible part in the middle is the seed also called the kernel.

Matthew Amster-Burton 12:53


Molly 12:54

And that's spelled c o l o n e L.

Matthew Amster-Burton 12:58

Let's see. What did you say? c o. o like like, like a like in the military tended, Colonel?

Molly 13:04

Yes. Yeah.

Matthew Amster-Burton 13:07

So sweaty, like my fingers are just sliding off the plastic bag

Molly 13:12

that we've gone back to recording remotely today because I could not deal with driving across town to Matthews Park I

Matthew Amster-Burton 13:19

hurt my finger trying to open this sunflower seed bag life is very hard now.

Molly 13:24

Okay, so hold on. I'm gonna Which ones did you open? Did you open up? No, no, no, I couldn't. No. Hold on. Let me try to open mine.

Matthew Amster-Burton 13:32

You think I'm doing a bit but actually I'm having a crisis. I'm gonna go get scissors. I'll be back. Mine just opened right up. Matthew.

Molly 13:39

What's wrong with your butter fingers? Hey, everybody. I'm alone in my closet and Matthew has left. It's just me. Dude. I'm alone in my closet. Who knows what I'll do in here. Wow, Matthews guard. Oh, look, he's got what looks like a ping pong paddle. But I think it's a fan.

Matthew Amster-Burton 14:05

I got it. I got a fan of like a handheld like Japanese fan. Okay, so

Molly 14:09

one of these was really easy to open. The other one is possibly about to be scattered all over my closet.

Matthew Amster-Burton 14:17

Hold on. All right, here we go.

Molly 14:20

Matthew, I did some singing while you were gone. I know our listeners loved it. Okay, so wait, hold on. Wait, are you eating ones with with the whole on? How are you doing this? Wait a minute. You're not supposed to do this alone.

Matthew Amster-Burton 14:32

What What do you mean?

Molly 14:33

Wait a minute. Did we just move into the eating portion? I

Matthew Amster-Burton 14:36

thought we were just in the opening pool. Got the bag open and then I got hungry. Okay, let no let's let's we'll cut all this out. Wink wink. And at the same time, we got to David's original jumbo salted and roasted sunflower seed, aka sips a lot.

Molly 14:57

difficult. I just wanna I just want to eat Whoa,

Matthew Amster-Burton 15:00

I know. I just this is really complicated. Like, this was gonna be easy,

Molly 15:07

but it's a great episode when I ate a bunch of grape seeds.

Matthew Amster-Burton 15:10

Yes, we hold the hold the crunching of my seed. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, the bag is hard to open and then and then like, I mean it's not easy to it's not hard to crunch through the hole but like the separating of the actual MIDI seed bit from the hole in my mouth is challenging.

Molly 15:26

This is really awkward.

Matthew Amster-Burton 15:28

Yeah, but, but I mean this is like like baseball players eat these, like when they're trying to quit chewing tobacco, so surely surely were at least as adept as baseball players. Volleyball is like holding it out on the end of her tongue to show that she's sort of separated the seed I like actually, like hurt my finger trying to open the bag. Okay, I think I think we need to like watch videos of people like showing how so how to eat sunflower seeds and then like get weird weirdly turned on by that.

Molly 16:01

I think that I thought that the I thought that the hole would split into two halves, right? Like the guy just

Matthew Amster-Burton 16:08

got one with no seed inside.

Molly 16:12

I thought that the hole would just split into two halves like right, a clam. And instead it breaks into like petals.

Matthew Amster-Burton 16:21

No, this is Greek for this thing from a clam. We are idiots.

Molly 16:28

I can't I can't find the sheet and

Matthew Amster-Burton 16:33

either. This is not how I expected this episode to go at all.

Molly 16:36

I'm just like sucking on these dry things. But at the salt is really nice.

Matthew Amster-Burton 16:42

Okay, so the bad news is I'm not smart enough to eat these. But the good news is I also got ranch flavor.

Molly 16:47

Okay, let's try eating those badly.

Matthew Amster-Burton 16:50

Did you get ranch? Also?

Molly 16:51

I did. Did you get David brand as both of yours? Yeah, I

Matthew Amster-Burton 16:55

did. Okay, so we're gonna. Here we go. It's brand but you told me that ash who's a sunflower seed fan? recommended David's brand.

Molly 17:04

Yeah, I think I got a rotten one. Oh, boy. Hang on. I'm trying again. Oh, God. I almost put one in my mouth that had no seat in it. I could see. Oh, yeah.

Matthew Amster-Burton 17:15

What's happening over there?

Molly 17:20

Find the fucking Colonel.

Matthew Amster-Burton 17:22

It looked like you got to like a squashed bug on the end of your tongue. Okay, so the ranch is fine. I don't like it as much as the original. But also, I'm not sure if this is food.

Molly 17:33

I'm sitting next to the dirty laundry pile and using it as a napkin.

Matthew Amster-Burton 17:37

That makes sense. Grab for

Molly 17:42

I'm sitting on one of those giant exercise balls. Severe squeaking.

Matthew Amster-Burton 17:46

This is the the most humbling experience of my life. It's like I feel like I am I have a child learning to walk and it's not going great.

Molly 17:57

I got it stuck in my teeth.

Matthew Amster-Burton 18:00

I mean, but it wasn't worth it because of all of the all of the nutritious calories you were able to consume. Wow. I do

Molly 18:08

like the flavor of the salted ones.

Matthew Amster-Burton 18:11

I do so I guess

Molly 18:12

I don't understand how people eat these. But I mean, this will take all my concentration like I

Matthew Amster-Burton 18:18

like I think I could get through some of these but not like while trying to talk to you and do a podcast

Molly 18:25

or while trying to like solve a mystery involving aliens or black ooze.

Matthew Amster-Burton 18:31

Oh, wait a minute. Let Tell me more about the X Files because like Mulder was the was was the one who like always believed that aliens were real and scaly. Yeah,

Molly 18:40

he was the skeptic Yeah, maybe

Matthew Amster-Burton 18:42

maybe molders critical thinking skills were impaired by trying to maneuver sunflower seeds with his tongue. Yeah, I think that's called Californication. Okay.

Molly 19:01

Alright, so hold on. Yeah. You said you wrote onto the agenda. It seems kind of random that these are called seeds rather than nuts because they're immedi plant food in a shell.

Matthew Amster-Burton 19:11

Yeah, I mean, it's like a peanut isn't botanically a not but we call it a nod because it's not like right.

Molly 19:17

Yeah, we don't call it a pea seed.

Matthew Amster-Burton 19:18

Yeah, we don't call it a pea seed. That sounds gross somehow.

Molly 19:21

One thing that I did learn that I found kind of interesting as someone who keeps a bird feeder, yeah. Is that so this the seeds that I primarily put in my bird feeder are black oil, sunflower seeds and they all solid black husk

Matthew Amster-Burton 19:37

Have you tried one

Molly 19:38

I've never tried one there you know, beloved by many different types of of like songbirds and like you know, just common common birds.

Matthew Amster-Burton 19:46

So the good birds, not the mean birds that you don't like

Molly 19:49

the Steller's Jay sellers. J Oh no, the Steller's Jay absolutely loves black oil, sunflower seeds, but I have put up a feeder that he cannot manage to hang out on

Matthew Amster-Burton 19:58

that day when I was at you. Your house and you got mad at a beautiful bird is one of the funniest things I've ever seen in my life.

Molly 20:05

Okay, but anyway, so that same seed, the black oil, sunflower seed is the same one that is used for oil, right? So like buy a bottle of sunflower oil that comes from the black seeds. Yes. Whereas the seats with striped halls are the ones that we tend to eat as a snack and those are in the industry called confectionery son for the ones in our case that we try and fail to eat as a snack. That is correct. So we should also say that these are roasted. I don't know that I've I mean, I'm sure I've had raw sunflower seeds from like the salad bar of a health food place. Oh, yeah, definitely.

Matthew Amster-Burton 20:41

Right. You can you can get them like I think you can get like the the ones with hauls off or or hauls on, like raw, like at a health food store in the bulk section probably right.

Molly 20:52

Yes. But in any case, both of them I think, Well, I know that in Shell seeds are dried before anything else happens. Okay, that makes sense. So so that would be dried and then roasted on top of that.

Matthew Amster-Burton 21:05

So you think they just like lay him out to dry? I think they probably rub them aggressively with towels. Do you think they hang me out to dry? Like the song?

Molly 21:13

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you've rung me out too, too. Too many times. Yeah,

Matthew Amster-Burton 21:18

I, I'm, but I very confused. Like, I know, we're trying to like move on with the agenda and get past this. But like, these are very popular snack food, like I was at a gas station the other day, and they had practically a whole row of sunflower seeds. They had like 10 different flavors of David's. And then they had the whole line of spirits and like a store brand. These seem like having tried to eat them. Now. It seems like a thing that like our own would only be in stores because like grandpa's still buy them. Right.

Molly 21:49

Yeah, I don't understand. But I'm pretty sure that our listeners are gonna gonna let us know.

Matthew Amster-Burton 21:55

Yeah, but yeah, so I like what I'm having. I'm having like a crisis where like, I thought I was starting to understand the world in which we live. And it turns out I know nothing.

Molly 22:05

You know, it's interesting when I think about other foods that are difficult to eat, you know, they tend to be so they tend to be like luxury items. Yeah, like lobster, crab oyster. Are there other things that are difficult to eat? I guess artichokes, preparation

Matthew Amster-Burton 22:24

those are the those those have kind of a luxurious reputation.

Molly 22:28

I don't know what it says about us that like the snack food of humanity. We are not able to get inside our stomachs and also but also like, I mean, nuts in the shell are hard to eat. That's true, but they're rarely sold that way. Like Yeah, nobody like most people don't have nut crackers. Most

Matthew Amster-Burton 22:48

people don't have nut crackers. Unless they're they're like, you know, ballet fans. I'm so sweaty.

Molly 22:57

Okay, so anyway, the roasting gives them like a crunchier texture, better flavor, you can imagine. Yeah. And then of course, there's sold salted, but also you can get them with lots of different flavors you and I've today both had Ranch, which was like whatever.

Matthew Amster-Burton 23:11

By the way, most sunflowers like the majority of the world, sunflowers are grown in Russia and the Ukraine.

Molly 23:16

And and I saw that in the Mediterranean and Eastern Europe and some Asian countries. They're sold freshly roasted as like a street snack.

Matthew Amster-Burton 23:25

I mean, I'm sure they're not. But it sounds like it would smell great.

Molly 23:29

Yes. Yeah. God, it's really weird that these things are sold like this. I'm gonna

Matthew Amster-Burton 23:35

try. I'm gonna try another one. Maybe Maybe my skills have improved.

Molly 23:38

Okay, well, you're struggling. So it seems like this is a very common thing for baseball players. I don't know why not for other players, I guess because baseball players are like sitting around in the dugout. Well, I

Matthew Amster-Burton 23:49

think it's because baseball like like there's a culture of chewing tobacco among baseball players in particular. Because like, I guess you can spit on the field in baseball and it doesn't ruin the game like it might in soccer, if you like did a slide tackle and slid into somebody that spat out cha. But probably a lot of a lot of baseball players are trying to quit chewing tobacco because maybe it's not good for you,

Molly 24:12

Matthew, I just keep getting these ones that just like split in half. And this kernel doesn't come out

Matthew Amster-Burton 24:18

like cuz there's nothing in there or cuz you

Molly 24:20

know, there's a kernel in there, but I'd like bit into I

Matthew Amster-Burton 24:23

did one kind of successfully

Molly 24:25

did you put it vertically between your

Matthew Amster-Burton 24:28

teeth? Between kind of my side teeth? Do you have side teeth? Do you have eye teeth? Oh. I'm starting to pick up the skill here. Alright, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna compost these just yet. Okay,

Molly 24:41

Matthew, Hang on. Hang on. I gotta wipe my hands on the laundry again.

Matthew Amster-Burton 24:44

Okay, so you know, this is this is like a snack that helps you pass the time, right? Yeah, it's not primarily like, for like, you know, nutrition. It's, it's like to give your hands in your mouth. Something to do when like, you know you're faced with a boring interval.

Molly 25:02

Right? This seems like a good masturbation deterrent,

Matthew Amster-Burton 25:05

it seems. Yes. That's that is probably why they were invented. Like, like graham crackers and cornflakes, right? Yeah.

Molly 25:12

If you just keep your your hands and your mouth busy. That's right. You won't you won't talk back to your elders. You won't put your hands where their mouth was.

Unknown Speaker 25:24

That's mutual masturbation. Maybe?

Matthew Amster-Burton 25:26

Or, or it's very flexible. Okay.

Molly 25:31

Oh my god, we've got to stop this episode now. Anyway, Ash tells me that so Ash is like a lifelong softball player. And I hadn't realized that like, I guess because softball, or because sunflower seeds are popular in the baseball world. Maybe they trickle down to softball players. Well, I

Matthew Amster-Burton 25:50

mean, maybe who's to say that baseball is on top. Maybe they trickle down from softball to baseball.

Molly 25:56

You're right. You're right. That was dumb of me. I'm sure they trickle down to baseball from softball. But anyway, Ash said that the brand to get is always David brand. And in the process of like, trying to show me a picture of David brand on their phone. Ash found like a whole bunch of memes about David sunflower seeds and softball.

Matthew Amster-Burton 26:18

Struck I thought I had starting to get the hang of it, but I was wrong.

Molly 26:22

Anyway. Wow. I think we're done here.

Matthew Amster-Burton 26:25

Yeah, I think we're done here. Except I was. I was going to go into YouTube and just just look up how to eat sunflowers. How to eat sunflower seeds, like a baseball player. Okay. Oh, wow. This is great. Here's an actual like North Carolina State. redshirt senior pitcher Vance Williams demonstrates the art of eating sunflower seeds. Alright. Oh, yeah. This is one minute long. All right. I'm gonna I'm gonna narrate this since you can't hear it. Okay. Okay, first off, pick your favorite flayer layer. I tried to listen. It's

Spitz dill pickle flavor. Okay. Oh, wow. He just put a bunch in his mouth at the same time. Now, this is a professional athlete. We're not going to be able to do what Vance does. Nevermind.

Molly 27:13

Okay. Does he put them in his mouth and then they just like he shoots them out the side of his mouth like a cartoon character. Okay,

Matthew Amster-Burton 27:20

I'll keep watching. Oh, wow. He can like spit them in and land them in a cup. I think this is faked. But Oh, wow. He just called us out. He just said the rookies out there. Maybe they only eat one seed at a time. Not professionals.

Molly 27:33

Oh god. We're professional podcast. Professional we are. Alright, so

Matthew Amster-Burton 27:38

should we go into segments since clearly? We don't know anything about sunflower seeds.

Molly 27:43

Yes, here we go.

Matthew Amster-Burton 27:44

Oh, also sometimes they're made into hava. Okay, okay, that's all okay. All right. We got spilled bail this week.

Yay. From listener Juliette, longtime listener and fan of the podcast here. I look forward to your podcast every week and often listening to them while I run. Although I recently listened to Tonkatsu and you guys started to talk about porn and the audio was just playing into the world and the ears of a family I was running by and it was terribly embarrassing. I still love the podcast though. Thanks listener Giuliana for that. But ya know if you stick with us after that experience, I guess I guess you're a listener for life. Anyway, I'm gonna be leaving for college soon and would like to know your recommendations for relatively quick well balanced meals that I can meal prep as a soon to be very busy student Hmm. So I didn't do much cooking in college. I did a little bit. But I have some ideas.

Molly 28:42

I didn't either. It wasn't until my senior year that I was living in like an apartment type right housing situation. And so the other three years I had a meal plan.

Matthew Amster-Burton 28:55


Molly 28:57

But I can tell you the year that I was in an apartment, it was my first time stocking a kitchen. I did a lot of roasted vegetables. We had a rice cooker and did a lot of like rice bowls with like avocado and edamame and seaweed. My best friend Keaton was like super into that at the time. What else did we do? You know, I think I probably did a fair amount of beans and rice like taking a can of black beans and doctoring them with maybe some sauteed onion. Maybe some Mexican oregano. I who am I kidding? I didn't have Mexican oregano. Then what am I talking about? And a few shakes of hot sauce. Yeah, there you go. All right, and then would eat that over rice. And that goes for many days.

Matthew Amster-Burton 29:42

Yeah, that sounds good. Yeah, here's my thought. I think I mean, first of all, obviously, if you're living with other people and like cooking for more than just yourself, there's gonna be a lot of negotiation going on there with like what people can and can't eat and what they like and don't like. Aside from that, though, don't get into the mindset that you should be like prepared to cook anything because different cuisines have like different pantry ingredients. And if you try and collect all of them, you're going to spend all your money and that you're not going to get good at cooking any particular thing. So like pick a cuisine that you like, like you know, Mexican food, Thai food, Chinese food, whatever, something something that's good and flavorful and where you can like get the ingredients that you need to make a whole bunch of meals, you know, in in that cuisine without having to buy pantry ingredients over and over again. Honestly, the one that comes to mind for me is Indian food because you could order up a bunch of spices from penzeys spend probably 50 bucks and they will let you

Molly 30:41

seriously do that in college I

Matthew Amster-Burton 30:43

call bs All right, but I mean would you do? Okay, but would you write to a podcast and ask a question about cooking? No Juliet is better than the average college.

Molly 30:55

Juliet is better than my

Matthew Amster-Burton 30:56

listener Julia get in touch? I will buy your pansy I will. I will spring for your first penzeys order.

Unknown Speaker 31:02

Oh my god.

Matthew Amster-Burton 31:04

You already know how to get in touch again. This offer is not good for anybody else only listener Juliet but if you want to send us a question contacted Spilt Milk podcast.com

Molly 31:14

Okay, Matthew, thank you so much for rising to the occasion and stepping back in with a cute animal today. It has become my job recently and and I had some extenuating circumstances today and was not able to select a cute animal so you did it. Thank you.

Matthew Amster-Burton 31:35

This cute animal was was inspired by a real life experience. Okay? Also, like I just love that someone someone who's starting college listens to our show, because remember when we went to my college

you guess because I just

Molly 32:02

started playing some sort of ad for a home gym system at full volume

Unknown Speaker 32:08

in my head.

Matthew Amster-Burton 32:11

Like, I know, I know this this makes me like a grumpy old man. But like, what how is it possible that like when you watch like Hulu or peacock or whatever, they can't just like restrict the volume of the ads.

Unknown Speaker 32:25

Oh, it's so shocking.

Molly 32:28

Oh, it's the old new vault from Nordic track. Great. Oh, okay. Carry on.

Matthew Amster-Burton 32:34

Okay, with my with my rant about loud commercials or my cute animal video. Okay. So near near where we live on the way to to my parents house. We pass by this this apartment that has a window on the street and they have two Sphynx cats. And the cats like to sit in the window like on the radiator. And there's even like a little plaque about like, you know, these this is these are the names of the cats and yes, we're supposed to look like that because a Sphynx cat is a is a hairless breed of cat. I think probably like many people have had the same experience of me which is that like you the first time you see when you're like this is one of the ugliest animals I've ever seen. And then you grow to love it. Okay, now there and this is the video that I chose is my six month old Sphynx cat does not recognize my dog after being groomed, angry cat. Okay, here we go. So the dog got groomed and is now being trying hard to be friends again with the Sphynx cat. But the cat is not having it. Oh the dog is I know right? And like strings cast they have these amazing tails that like curl up at the end.

Molly 33:40

Well this cat is Yeah, you can see but poised for action.

Matthew Amster-Burton 33:46

So the other thing that I like about this video is there's a TV on behind the cat and they've pixelated out the TV so that so that they don't get like a copyright claim on YouTube because they're showing like HGTV in the background or something but it totally looks like they have porn on right?

Molly 34:04

No it doesn't Matthew the this would be porn of like fully clothed people this person's even wearing like a scarf thing.

Matthew Amster-Burton 34:12

Fine. Thanks for thanks for jumping in on the bit with me.

Molly 34:15

Yeah, no problem. Okay, so

Matthew Amster-Burton 34:17

there's a cat and a dog fighting but they're very cute.

Molly 34:20

Do they finally reconcile? Yeah, I'm

Matthew Amster-Burton 34:21

let's pretend they do because I think maybe they doubt but probably the next day they did.

Molly 34:28

I have this dog is so persistent.

Matthew Amster-Burton 34:31

I know.

Molly 34:32

I think you like this video because you're a cat person. I feel I feel the dog video because this poor dog has so much love for this cat. So unrequited love.

Matthew Amster-Burton 34:44

Yeah, but I think like that's, that's every humans experience with a cat. And yet we still keep, like letting them in our house. So I think probably dogs probably end up feeling the same way like I do. I'm like, you know, my love for this thing is never going to be reciprocated. But that's the Just the world we live in.

Molly 35:01

Okay, okay,

Matthew Amster-Burton 35:02

Anyways, thanks cats. They're cute.

Molly 35:04

They are cute. All right. Okay, so do you have a now but wow man,

Matthew Amster-Burton 35:07

I do have it now but wow

Molly 35:16

you are really pulling more than your way

Matthew Amster-Burton 35:19

I'm really hauling in more than my weight.

Molly 35:21


Matthew Amster-Burton 35:21

Okay go on my now but wow is a show on peacock. That's called we are lady parts.

Molly 35:27

I cannot for some reason I cannot handle the network name peacock. I mean I love all sorts of like dumb humor, but I just feel like it wasn't there some like pop song or something that was like or was it a Katy Perry song like let me see your peacock or something?

Matthew Amster-Burton 35:45

Maybe? No, I'm not gonna Google Yeah, you're right. Let me see your peacock song by Katy Perry. I don't know how I missed that.

Molly 35:52

Yeah, so I just feel like like peacock now is just slang. And so this is a show called we are lady parts is slang for like cockiness that has like, Cool feathers coming out of it?

Matthew Amster-Burton 36:04

Yes, exactly. All right. Wow. Like I mean, I, as you know, like, I care a lot about fashion. And so I need to really get on trend. Here. We are lady parts is a show Written and directed by Nita Manzoor, and it's a British sitcom. And because it's British sitcom, you only get six episodes and you want so many more, because this show is wonderful. Yeah, it is about Yes, it's about a a punk rock band of all Muslim women. It's so wacky and funny and also makes you cry and just feel so incredibly real and like, like, everything, I have to say everything on the show pretty much reminded me of something from my book, but done so much better. Because it really was like, all of the like, you know, love and triumph and heartbreak of being in a band, but also, like embedded in a culture that I know very little about, that feels like, you know, an incredibly like inside and just loving portrayal of the diversity of this culture. You know, as seen through these these five women who make up the band and their manager

Molly 37:12


Matthew Amster-Burton 37:13

I can't wait to watch Yeah, I cannot recommend this show. We're highly it is a delight.

Molly 37:16

Fun. Okay,

Matthew Amster-Burton 37:18

but I can't believe you only get six half hour episodes. What is wrong with you England?

Molly 37:23

Has it been renewed for another season? I

Matthew Amster-Burton 37:25

don't think so. But maybe,

Molly 37:27

okay, well, so as always, our producer is the wonderful and magical Abby Cerquitella it did you know that? She can produce your podcast, too. Oh, that's

Matthew Amster-Burton 37:36

a good point. You know what else she can do? She can edit your manuscript. If you're writing a book, especially fiction, but also nonfiction, she can do a developmental edit of that.

Molly 37:45

She is a wonder So anyway, we'll we'll put a link to Abby's website. Yeah, in the show notes

Unknown Speaker 37:51

in the show notes. Yeah. Anyway, you can also rate and review us wherever you get your podcasts and you can chat with other people who listen to the show on reddit@reddit.com slash are slash everything spilled milk. That's right. I think we did it. Okay. Wow,

Matthew Amster-Burton 38:06

what are you going to do next? You're going to go lie in front of a fan?

Molly 38:09

Yeah, I'm going to come out of the closet. Okay. And again, and I know you know what I have to do I have to go outside and water the plants specifically my tomato plant these plants own you. Or do you own me but they are about to give me so many tomatoes. Okay, that's your plant to is about to go off. Alright, I

Matthew Amster-Burton 38:30

gotta go. These plants are much better than cats.

Molly 38:33

What are you going to do today? Matthew? I

Matthew Amster-Burton 38:35

don't know. I'm gonna like get this send this stuff over to Abby. And like, I don't know, I can't think I can't think any further ahead than that. You know, you know, I was gonna say eat a popsicle. But we don't have popsicles because I went to Safeway yesterday. And there was literally not a popsicle in the store. So the things things that were completely sold out popsicles, including the sugar free ones that nobody likes. And frozen juice concentrate, gone. And then a wife of the show, Laurie went to Safeway this morning and the whole freezer section was cordoned off for some reason, possibly because people were just like going in and standing in front of them and wasting a bunch of energy.

Molly 39:13

Probably, um, wow, I don't know. Well, good luck. Good luck, Matthew.

Matthew Amster-Burton 39:17

I feel like we keep kind of feeling like we've narrowly escaped the apocalypse but but like in a final destination sort of way you can't actually escape.

Molly 39:27

No, it's just like we we were on that train and we're just passing through the stage.

Matthew Amster-Burton 39:32

Yes, I know. I mean, I know you and I are gonna live forever but but could get pretty dicey.

Molly 39:39

Oh my god. Thanks for listening to spilled milk. Get your hose off. Get your hose off, baby. Nana Nana Nana What

Matthew Amster-Burton 39:51

What song is this?

Molly 39:53

Something about get your rocks off.

Matthew Amster-Burton 39:54

Oh, is it the rolling staffs? Oh,

Molly 39:59

I don't maybe Okay, I'm Molly weissenberg.

Matthew Amster-Burton 40:04

Okay, I'm Matthew Amster-Burton This is the best we can do for today. You're welcome.

I am so if you say sunflower seeds fast it kind of sounds like sunscreen.

Molly 40:19

It does some simpler seats

Matthew Amster-Burton 40:21

on the screen. It doesn't really but let's go with this not

Molly 40:24

sit doesn't sound like the same thing. Okay?