What is going on? Did we grow up? What is does it mean to "get juiced"? These questions and more remain unanswered as we taste crankberry juice, confront our fear of sourness and risk every kind of ulcer. We get cosmopolitan as we discover the world's worst shower head and scream a few more times than usual.
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Molly 0:00
Hi. I'm Molly Weissenberg. wants
Matthew Amster-Burton 0:08
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Molly 0:15
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Matthew Amster-Burton 0:17
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Molly 0:20
the wrong Karl Castle is the right person. Yes.
Matthew Amster-Burton 0:22
Oh yeah.
Molly 0:24
I'm Molly.
Matthew Amster-Burton 0:25
And I'm Matthew.
Molly 0:26
Spilt Milk, the show where our producers gonna kill us for messing up the intro
Matthew Amster-Burton 0:31
and you can't have any. Okay, I hope this is someone's first episode. You heard about this new podcast Bill Belk. I think what is going on? Why, but
Molly 0:41
it's hosted by Mara Elias and Carl
Matthew Amster-Burton 0:43
Castle who is who is hosting the show despite being dead.
Molly 0:48
He is phoning us from the beyond.
Matthew Amster-Burton 0:51
Wow, what an honor that he decided to call in to our show.
Molly 0:55
Well, didn't he like leave voicemails for people? That wasn't gonna Crowdcast
Matthew Amster-Burton 1:00
Wait, wait, don't tell me like you could get a voicemail from Carl castle. Yeah, for all I know. He's still doing it.
Molly 1:05
Okay, great. Well, today we're talking about cranberry juice,
Matthew Amster-Burton 1:08
as you might expect from that intro.
Molly 1:12
Ah, yeah, you know, happy holiday season, everybody. Let's talk about cranberry.
Matthew Amster-Burton 1:17
Yeah, I think this was I think this fell out of our recent cranberry episode where we realized we hadn't done a cranberry juice episode. And you and you were like, Let's do it. Yeah,
Molly 1:26
I was like, let's not let's not mess around. Let's not wait. Let's do it. Yeah,
Matthew Amster-Burton 1:30
let's not put it off. Like we like we've been doing with spaghetti.
Molly 1:33
Let's not wait until we to have to call in from from the beyond. Yeah. To record this. No, Matthew,
Matthew Amster-Burton 1:42
which to be clear. I will. I will I want yeah.
Molly 1:47
Okay, so Matthew, I want to start out by sharing my memory lane. So I grew up. Well, for me. I did grow up. Okay, good. I like some people are working on it. For me. Cranberry juice is synonymous with the brand Ocean Spray. Of course it does oceans or even make anything else
Matthew Amster-Burton 2:05
they make. Ruby Red grapefruit juice. They make Craisins
Molly 2:10
Oh, these are all still kind of Yeah. Adjacent.
Matthew Amster-Burton 2:13
Yeah, I mean, the somehow the grapefruit. Grapefruit. I'm Carl castle. I'm calling to tell you about grapefruit juice. It was his wonderful diction. Yeah, somehow grapefruit juice seems adjacent to cranberries. I agree. That's what I tried.
Molly 2:36
When I was a kid, the one that I liked best was cran. Apple. You know, there was a whole bunch of like, cran hyphen stuff going?
Matthew Amster-Burton 2:42
Absolutely. There's more than there's ever been. Really? Yeah, like, there's like cran pomegranate, which I didn't get I just got some classics. That seems redundant. Like because they're kind of sour. Yeah. There's cran grape that we have that when we were a kid. But yeah, raspberry now there's no there's like, all kinds of like diet versions, like but yeah, but I got I got just some of the ones we remember from our childhood.
Molly 3:05
So the main juice actually in my household growing up, and we did keep juice around all the time was cran apple. Oh, stop. Yeah,
Matthew Amster-Burton 3:12
and I think I have a theory about CRAN apple that we'll get into when we start drinking the stuff. Okay, mine. I was never a big fan of cran apple. But I didn't I wasn't really into apple juice at all. As a kid. I don't know why. I still could kind of take it or leave it but I love the original cranberry juice cocktail. And then I kind of remember when they introduced cran raspberry, which must have been like the late 80s, early 90s and really liked cran raspberry.
Molly 3:39
I don't know that I've tasted it since I was a kid I can still imagine what cran apple tastes like and to meet cran Apple is the flavor of cranberry juice.
Matthew Amster-Burton 3:48
Okay, and for me cranberry juice cocktail is the flavor of cranberry juice.
Molly 3:52
I think that as a young child, I was afraid of cranberry juice cocktail. It seemed like too sour
Matthew Amster-Burton 3:58
that that's what I was gonna say about CRAN Apple I think cran Apple is a much milder version of cranberry juice cocktail.
Molly 4:04
By the time I was old enough to drink a cosmopolitan which we will be talking about. I just don't think I ever had by that point. I was like full steam ahead with cranberry juice cocktail. I was I was on board.
Matthew Amster-Burton 4:16
Yeah, so I drank a ton of Ocean Spray as a kid. I loved cranberry juice cocktail. It was one of my favorite juices. I don't think we'd like kept it around all the time. I think it was more of like a special treat, but I sure love that stuff. Why is it called cranberry juice cocktail you want to get into this okay, yes. So let me quote from Wikipedia quote the term cranberry juice cocktail or cranberry juice blend refers to products that contain about 28% Cranberry juice with the remainder either from other fruit juice concentrates typically grape apple or pear water and added sugar to improve palatability but I looked at the ingredient label of Ocean Spray cranberry juice cocktail, and it's just cranberry juice water sugar and like natural colorings and preservatives.
Molly 4:58
So is cranberry juice. So I think I've always thought of cranberry juice cocktail as like the basic cranberry juice. Yeah, I
Matthew Amster-Burton 5:06
think so too. And I also got 100% Cranberry juice for us to try. Oh, that doesn't have any water. So the thing I realized is okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna skip ahead a little bit in the agenda here. Can I permission fine. Back in the 80s? Let's see, yeah, the mid 80s, Congress was considering legislation to require all juice manufacturers to put the percentage of real juice on their bottles. And the Ocean Spray collective, lobbied vigorously against this because they did not want to put on their cranberry juice cocktail label 20 contains 27% juice. They lost and they do have to put that on the bottle now, but I feel like they sort of had a point because like fruit juices, like vary widely in how watery they are, right? It's kind of it's not really kind of cranberries fault that cranberry juice is an incredibly intense concentrated juice that you don't want to drink straight. Yes, like watermelon juice. But
Molly 6:03
at the same time, I do imagine that like people who had been buying cranberry juice cocktail for a long time thinking they're drinking juice. Sure, in the same way that like fresh squeezed orange juice. Yeah, they were probably like, what? So I'm actually drinking like sugar water with some cranberry flavor. Yeah,
Matthew Amster-Burton 6:21
but yeah, that's true. I mean, they do add sugar to it. So yeah, so I guess I guess they probably deserve to lose that one.
Molly 6:29
Well, okay. So I think we need to at this point, start tasting.
Matthew Amster-Burton 6:33
I think we should, yeah, I'm excited. So
Molly 6:34
in the cheese plate philosophy, we would begin with pure cranberry.
Matthew Amster-Burton 6:39
Okay, but but like, Isn't that like starting with like, like Roquefort? Because it's gonna be so strong. I think we should start with cranberry juice cocktail. Okay, and okay, maybe do pure cranberry. Either last or next.
Molly 6:54
I'm torn. Let's start with cranberry juice cocktail. Because I think that yeah, pure cranberry. You're right would be like starting with Roquefort. Great. I'm so glad that I said that. Matthew, did you buy all Ocean Spray products today? Yeah, I did. It's interesting because yeah, I feel like if I were heading out to buy cranberry juice, I might buy cranberry juice cocktail in like a generic form but I don't think I would buy like a Cranberry Fruit juice. I don't think I would buy any other brand but Ocean Spray have like a blend? Yeah, I looked at
Matthew Amster-Burton 7:30
like the store brands and like some like natural ish knockoff brands but like I felt like I had to go with the original. Okay, this is a beautiful color set comes partly I think from like beet juice extract, but
Molly 7:43
Oh, that's so good. And so good. It even has that like tannic quality that Krav
Matthew Amster-Burton 7:50
Maga is a brilliant product
Molly 7:51
God I love that stuff. Oh, so good. When I was typing
Matthew Amster-Burton 7:55
up like stuff on the agenda I kept my fingers kept wanting to write crank Berridge? Which is nothing but but it sure was fun to say.
Molly 8:06
Oh, man. Okay, that's really tasty. So Okay, speaking of Ocean Spray, do we have any interesting corporate history? Matthew?
Matthew Amster-Burton 8:13
We do. Okay, so Ocean Spray is a is a growers cooperative. So it's like 700 different farmers like working together under one corporate umbrella. For largely for like marketing and distribution purposes. They are real good at marketing. To the extent that I didn't consider any other brands today. They have members in the US, Canada and Chile. Okay. The headquarters is in Plymouth math, Massachusetts, and they sell about 80% of the world's cranberries.
Molly 8:43
Wow, that is a huge market share. Yep, that's wild.
Matthew Amster-Burton 8:47
So Ocean Spray was founded in 1930. And they introduced cranberry juice cocktail the same year.
Molly 8:52
Wow. Okay, so cranberry juice cocktail was like the the flagship store, the flagship, the flagship product, the flag. Yeah,
Matthew Amster-Burton 9:01
they raised a flag a red flag. Which probably means something bad happened. Yeah. Okay, and
Molly 9:15
like, what do you call it when it's like the signature product the what do you call it when it's like the central like, oh, like signature
Matthew Amster-Burton 9:23
product? Okay, we'll come up with it. There, can you but can you imagine if like we were that successful with our first product? What was our first product? Yeah, or the Friday episode.
Molly 9:36
Oh, the Friday GG episode. Oh, God, I can't even imagine going back and listening to it.
Matthew Amster-Burton 9:41
We we literally did it back okay, they then then I guess like the Depression hit because then the next thing I could find on their on their corporate timeline was that they introduced cran apple in 1963. So three already three years later, I tried to figure out when cran raspberry was introduced, but I remember it happening. So it must have been in the late 80s, early 90s.
Molly 10:07
Okay, and I know that you did not find the dates for like cran grape cran
Matthew Amster-Burton 10:14
I do have one other coming up that I tried to find and could not find at the store. Okay. They were the first company to market the juice box.
Molly 10:22
Really? Yeah. Maybe I had cran apple juice boxes as a kid. I
Matthew Amster-Burton 10:27
wouldn't be surprised. Oh, I remember the sensation of drinking cranberry juice cocktail. Or maybe even cran Apple through the little tiny straw from the juice box.
Molly 10:38
I do too. Right?
Matthew Amster-Burton 10:39
I do, too. My mouth is gonna be so wet from this for this acidic juice for this episode, so you're welcome.
Molly 10:46
Wow, is it making your mouth really wet? It's making it Yeah, I'm
Matthew Amster-Burton 10:49
salivating all over the place. Wow.
Molly 10:52
I hadn't noticed that. But now I'm going to start paying more attention. Okay. Okay. Oh, hold on. We mentioned in the cranberry episode that that sometimes. Oh, bless you.
Matthew Amster-Burton 11:04
That's so cute.
Molly 11:08
Okay, cranberries, they need a fair amount of sun to turn red. And so some cranberries are harvested white or like pale pink. And that would be what is used to make white cranberry juice.
Matthew Amster-Burton 11:20
Yes, I tried to introduced white cranberry juice cocktail in 2002 to be like a less tart choice. I could not have like, I found the place on the shelf for it. And I found like white cran peach, I think but that didn't sound appealing to me. So I did not get the white cranberry juice cocktail. Okay, a thing I was gonna say about about my cute little sneezes is I sometimes at work, people asked me if I will, like sing a particular song because they know I like to sing songs. And my coworker Dave asked if I would sing hallelujah, the Leonard Cohen version. Okay. I've like Dave, you heard how high my voice cannot do that. Sounds ridiculous. That would be you'd be like, oh, yeah, we did sound exactly like When Molly just said,
Molly 12:11
That's right. So okay, we've been talking about cranberry juice cocktail. But I want to talk also about cocktails made with cranberry juice.
Matthew Amster-Burton 12:19
I would love to talk about that. And can we can we like grab another? Let's
Molly 12:24
grab another couple juices. So what does it mean to get juiced? Like, like when Bob Dylan sings about like, something about school, but you know, you only use to get juiced in it. What does that mean?
Matthew Amster-Burton 12:39
First off, I think we've talked about this before, I don't think we came to a conclusion. Like, I got Bob in my rolodex. I'm gonna call Bob. Okay. And ask him what he meant. But I think probably just like spilling juice on yourself. I want to cry. Now. I want
Molly 12:54
us to create Apple first. I think that cran Apple to me feels like a more sort of, or mellow product. I
Matthew Amster-Burton 13:03
think it is. And here is my evidence. Like before I even taste it. So why for the show, Laurie said hey, like, Okay, we know that cranberry juice cocktail is 27% juice is cran Apple, just a mixture of cranberry juice and apple juice. So it's going to be 100% juice. Oh, no. If you look at the label, it is 15% juice.
Molly 13:24
Wow, this is the flavor of my childhood and it's very happily.
Matthew Amster-Burton 13:28
It's very happily and it's like it's milder than apple juice. I think
Molly 13:33
I get almost no cranberry flavor. Yeah,
Matthew Amster-Burton 13:37
this is this is like reddish apple juice is not bad. But
Molly 13:41
no, no, it's not bad. I mean, I wouldn't kick it out of bed. But I Yeah,
Matthew Amster-Burton 13:45
you get juiced with it. Now I wouldn't really get used with it. So let's see. Okay, I'm curious to try again. Riley's bad why kids like that?
Molly 13:53
Yeah, no, I mean, it's actually the the place where I noticed cranberry in it is in a little bit of tannin at the end. Yeah,
Matthew Amster-Burton 14:00
I agree. Let's let's crack up in the Korean raspberry. This one is also 15% juice. Okay. You're going to take some juice home right? I like I want to I want to shout out ye for the show Laurie for being the one who fit the four bottles of cranberry juice beverages into the fridge last night. Did they not come in smaller sizes? No. I looked believe this larger sizes deer this smells very raspberry II there's like a gallon size of some of these. Wow, well, I don't like this anymore. I don't hate me. It
Molly 14:37
tastes like raspberry candy. No, I
Matthew Amster-Burton 14:39
just want the it's too sweet for me. Like I just want the original. It's not it's not hard enough.
Molly 14:45
Oh, I mean, you know, I think it's pretty delicious. But I prefer it over cran Apple tell you
Matthew Amster-Burton 14:52
what, like when they said we use of lime. I could I would totally maybe a squeeze of lime in a little soda water.
Molly 14:58
I'm also going to say A pellet ice. Yes, some pellet ice.
Matthew Amster-Burton 15:04
Put the pellet on.
Molly 15:05
Um, I don't hate this. I mean, it's not really what I would turn to when I want cranberry juice.
Matthew Amster-Burton 15:12
Yeah, I don't hate it either, but it's definitely my least favorite of the three. Really? Yeah.
Molly 15:17
Wow. Okay. All right. I'll take it home. Okay. Yeah. And I thought
Matthew Amster-Burton 15:21
like this was like, I remember loving this when it came out and I don't think the juice has changed. I think I have changed.
Molly 15:26
I think that's right. Well, I'm gonna go home and fill my babies baby bottles with it smart. That's what we're supposed to feed our nine month olds. I think that's what it says right here. Yeah, yeah, feed your babies. Lots of sugary juice.
Matthew Amster-Burton 15:41
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the thing. Like, I never buy juice anywhere. Like I feel. I feel like I think of myself as a person who sort of tries to be like immune to nutritional trends. And yet, I do feel like when when the man said like, we're not doing juice anymore. Like it kind of sunk in.
Molly 15:56
Yeah, me too. I know. But that said, especially since I've been trying to drink less alcohol for the past like six months or so. I feel like a really nice substitute could be like cranberry juice. Little little fizzy water lime. Oh, yeah. That sounds great. In that case, I'm very, very pro juice.
Matthew Amster-Burton 16:17
Yeah, no, even though even though Bob Dylan said we're not getting juiced in it anymore.
Molly 16:23
Oh, you even bought Ocean Spray here?
Matthew Amster-Burton 16:25
Yes. Ocean Spray. 100% Cranberry. Okay. Wow. So what does it what does it say on here? Is there is there like a warning about like, Don't drink too much of this. Let's see. Oh, it's just a pure unsweetened cranberry. It says four servings per container. Wow, that seems
Molly 16:43
okay. This bottle wine bottle is made from the juice of over two pounds of cranberry.
Matthew Amster-Burton 16:48
Okay, no, I'm excited to try it. I don't think I've ever had this before. It's much darker in color cocktail, as you might imagine. And I think it doesn't have any artificial colors. Oh my god. Wow. It's so interesting, though. Wow. It tastes like if you if you take like, wow, cranberry out of a bag. You're like, I've got to eat this. This has got to be good. You're like I'm in your mouth like Gize Wow, I can't stop. This is so fascinating.
Molly 17:19
Okay, this I think could go a long way with some sparkling water and some Yeah, right. I would be great. I think it'd be very good. But I mean, this is intense
Matthew Amster-Burton 17:30
yet, but the idea is so it literally says four servings per container serving size, one cup eight fluid ounces who could possibly drink this? That would be like, so wild. When you get some sort of like ulcer? I think you'd get every kind of all sir delicious, but it's it's like I don't what?
Molly 17:53
You know, okay, listeners, if any of you if any of you are big fans of pure unsweetened cranberry juice. Tell us about it. What do you do with this?
Matthew Amster-Burton 18:04
Maybe it could go I was gonna say maybe go into a punch. But no, that's what you do with regular cranberry juice cocktail. Like there was some punch that I liked as a kid. Like, people were always serving non alcoholic punches when we were kids. That's right. And then there was the one that you would float orange sherbet. Fours. Yeah. Was like, seven up. Yeah, but I think there was another one maybe like around the holidays that had cranberry juice is
Molly 18:25
growing on me. But I mean, it's gonna have to take me to the emergency rooms.
Matthew Amster-Burton 18:29
I mean, yeah, it's, it's clearly it's good. It's gonna take
Molly 18:33
the enamel of the teeth that
Matthew Amster-Burton 18:35
actually was was a warning on the Wikipedia.
Molly 18:39
Its teeth is staining my teeth, right?
Matthew Amster-Burton 18:41
So I think I looked up and like pure cranberry juice is killing like, like, yeah, pH of 2.6. So extremely acidic. And I like pour this down the drain when I have a clog. Maybe you could wander if I like put some in my hair and slept with it. If I'd wake up and all my hair be burned off. Oh, I think you said if your hair would be cranberry red. I mean, certainly your bed would be
Molly 19:05
That's true.
Matthew Amster-Burton 19:07
you'd wake up and like look at the pill and like did I get murdered?
Molly 19:20
Matthew you put down here, there is a drink called a cape Cotter, which I hadn't thought of in ages and I don't think I ever really knew what it was.
Matthew Amster-Burton 19:30
So I think the Cape Cod or like the term kind of dropped off in favor of vodka cranberry, which I can more often more. It's easier to imagine someone ordering a vodka cranberry than a cape cod or even though I think they're the same thing. Okay. And the cape cutter guest who popularized it. It was Ocean Spray. Oh, geniuses. So there was an existing drink called the Red Devil that was served in bars in Cape Cod and elsewhere in the northeastern gin starting in the 1940s, but was not particularly well known outside the region. And so in the mid 60s oceans very started marketing the Cape Cod or cocktail. They put like ads in newspapers and magazines, and it was an immediate success. Wow. And so is a cocktail consisting mostly of cranberry juice cocktail with some vodka and a squeeze of lime or just a lime wedge garnish.
Molly 20:24
Okay, so it was the foundation on which the cosmopolitan
Matthew Amster-Burton 20:29
Yes, although I can't wait, I think I think that is correct, but in a way, it's sort of the opposite of a Cosmo because it Cosmo is like a little bit of cranberry juice and mostly other stuff and a cape cod or can be as much as like four parts cranberry to one part vodka.
Molly 20:43
Okay, I didn't realize that it was that the portions were that when when
Matthew Amster-Burton 20:48
I was looking at recipes that that's about as high ratio as you can go like somewhere like, you know, could be like two to one, but it's always mostly cranberry.
Molly 20:56
Okay. Well, so a Cosmo, which I've, I've
Matthew Amster-Burton 20:59
totally forgot to put Cosmo's on the agenda and was and was roundly upbraid
Molly 21:03
I was. I was. So a cosmopolitan is cranberry juice cocktail vodka, either contro or triple sack. So some sort of orange liqueur, and lime. It is usually shaken and served up in a martini glass.
Matthew Amster-Burton 21:19
Yeah, I don't have a martini glass, but I think I have everything else. Should we
Molly 21:23
make one? Let's get one. I'm really curious. I have not had one since like, 1998.
Matthew Amster-Burton 21:27
And I don't know if I've had one ever and remind me to do the shaking next to the microphone.
Molly 21:32
Oh, yes. Okay. Well, whose proportions are we using? Did you
Matthew Amster-Burton 21:36
so this is a this is an iba cocktail. So I think we should just use the official international bartending Association.
Molly 21:43
Great. Let's do it.
Matthew Amster-Burton 21:44
The IPA recipe calls for vodka citron. I just have plain vodka.
Molly 21:47
I was surprised to find that when I was doing the research for this cocktail. Yeah, I was surprised to find that that was sort of the standard because I had always assumed it was just plain vodka. So I didn't put it up. I know it sounds really juicy. But you know what? That's all right. It's a juicy cocktail.
Matthew Amster-Burton 22:09
I'm not shaking. It's hard to digest, because I'm afraid of dripping on the rock.
Molly 22:14
All right, it's 1:39pm on a Monday, and I'm I'm ready to get juiced. That looks so good. Okay, cheers. Matthew. hears the smells really good. i I'm sure it's good. Yeah. Yeah, I'm getting mostly I can taste the bad vodka. Yeah, I'm getting mostly vodka and lime. I think
Matthew Amster-Burton 22:39
I feel like the cranberry juice is like largely for colors. It's well, it's like 30% of the volume.
Molly 22:45
Okay. And then what percentage is vodka? Like 40%? Okay, so the origin story of this thing is disputed. I think most of us, myself included, have always thought this is like a modern creation. I thought
Matthew Amster-Burton 22:59
it was created by a columnist Carrie Bradshaw. Me too. You do.
Molly 23:03
But there's a recipe for it in a bartending book published in 1934. Okay, where it was called the Cosmopolitan, Daisy. Cute. There are many origin stories, though, and I'm going to share a few of them. There's an origin story that traces it to the gay community in P town.
Matthew Amster-Burton 23:19
All right, that makes sense Provincetown, Mass. Yeah, my ancestral homeland.
Molly 23:24
There is also another origin story that says that a bartender named Neil Murray created it in 1975. At the cork and cleaver Steakhouse in Minneapolis. He says that he added a splash of cranberry juice to a kamikaze. And the first taster declared how cosmopolitan? Sure, here's another some cocktail historians credit the bartender Cheryl Cook of the strand restaurant in South Beach, Florida, with creating it in 1985 or 86. Others more anyway, it became really popular in the 90s because Madonna was spotted drinking 196 I think I remember that. And it was later frequently mentioned on Sex in the City. It's what Carrie Bradshaw ordered whenever she was out with her ladies.
Matthew Amster-Burton 24:12
Was this in the Madonna movie? Truth or Dare? I feel like I brought this movie up recently. I've never seen it. I've seen it. Oh, wow. I haven't thought about this in so long. I don't remember like, whose house this was at or like how we had access to a hot tub because I don't think I had hot tub friends. But like some of my friends I sat in a hot tub and watch truth or dare I like a TV near the hot tub. Wow, isn't that awesome? That's pretty good. And we were like very proud of ourselves. And I
Molly 24:38
mean, it wasn't Truth or Dare like really racy like the Eyes Wide Shut of its
Matthew Amster-Burton 24:43
yes, certainly how it was marketed. But it wasn't it was. It was a Madonna concert film in which like she takes her bra off at one point. As I recall. It was not as racy as any of us like you know, hormonal teenagers wished it was Yeah, yeah.
Molly 25:01
Okay, fair enough.
Matthew Amster-Burton 25:02
I think it was a good concert movie.
Molly 25:03
Great. Matthew, what about the old the old wisdom that cranberry juice is good for your urinary tract system?
Speaker 2 25:11
Unfortunately your urinary tract systems there's a whole system of urinary tract Yeah, I have like several
Molly 25:20
you wonder where sweat comes from.
Matthew Amster-Burton 25:26
Unfortunately, this was this was a thing. I think it's still a thing that that you hear but has been thoroughly debunked. Like the the acid from cranberry juice just doesn't penetrate that far when you drink it,
Molly 25:38
I would think it would be radically altered by one's stomach and one's intestinal. It doesn't hurt Actually, wait a minute. Your
Matthew Amster-Burton 25:47
your urine. Is it is the urinary tract connected to the intestines? No. I'm trying to Oh, yeah, I don't remember. I don't remember
Molly 25:55
at what point things get shunted off. Like what point does though the kidney looks like
Matthew Amster-Burton 26:00
the blood gets filtered through the kidneys and then is and then is emitted as urine. Right?
Molly 26:06
But what? Oh, it's
Matthew Amster-Burton 26:07
the blood. It's not the food. It's not the food. But I mean, oh my god. So you would have to get cranberry juice in your blood. But obviously things you think you drink can certainly affect your urine. Sure. Yeah. All right. Cool. So we solved that.
Molly 26:20
Wow. Still, I'm still feeling confused. But anyway,
Matthew Amster-Burton 26:24
Matthew, this is this is the illusion of explanatory depth. Have you ever heard this term? This is something my dad and I were talking about the other day, it's the it's that feeling when like, you're like, I know how a bicycle works, obviously and then you try and explain it and you're like shit, I do not know how a bicycle works.
Molly 26:41
So hold on, what's the illusion?
Matthew Amster-Burton 26:44
The illusion is that you have convinced yourself that you know how something works because like you have experience with it or have learned it once before or it just kind of seems obvious. And then when you try to explain it or draw it then then you realize how much you don't know okay, it's like it's related to the idea that like to really understand something you need to teach it that sort of why that's true because like you will in your own mind gloss over the parts you don't know until you try to explain it to someone else. And that is us and the digestive system.
Molly 27:14
There we go that you mean the urinary tract the urinary tract
Matthew Amster-Burton 27:17
system. Yes. I'm trying I'm trying to get more urinary tracts installed like like as somebody will want to have six pack abs. Six urinary tract just like busting out all over
like the world's worst showerhead? Yes. You think you think like a low water pressure like drippy RPIs showerhead is the worst. Oh no, I could do way worse than that. Okay, so that was obviously our cranberry juice.
Molly 27:58
Okay, Matthew, we have
Matthew Amster-Burton 28:00
some spilled mail. I would love to hear it
Molly 28:08
so this is from listener Robin. That's Robin with an eye. Hi, Matthew and Molly. Two questions.
Matthew Amster-Burton 28:14
A You mean it's not robbing the singer? It's what you're getting. Okay.
Molly 28:17
It's getting it. Yeah. Okay. Hi, Matthew in Mali. Two questions occurred to me as I was in the kitchen this morning. As I was putting away dishes that had dried overnight in the dish rack my liquor is a Dutch oven almost slipped from my hands on to the tiled floor up. Luckily, I caught it in time. It makes me full body shiver to think of the Dutch oven cracking or cracking the floor tiles or breaking my toes. This makes me wonder Do you have any recurring Kitchen Nightmares, such as potential accidents or hazards that make you recoil in horror at the thought of them? on a happier note, what's your favorite food packaging? I love this transition. For me. It's definitely metal tomato or anchovy paste tubes that you pierce with a pointy bit on the outside of the cap. Yep, it's so satisfying to open them and then squeeze out the perfect amount of tomato paste. Thank you as always for your show. I look forward to it every week.
Matthew Amster-Burton 29:10
Yeah, we have one of those tubes in the fridge right now. I used it the other day very satisfying.
Molly 29:14
It's so great. I really only ever use it for tomato paste but it's so gratifying. Also to like not keep wasting this can oh yeah, so I mean, there's way too much tomato paste in a tomato paste.
Matthew Amster-Burton 29:26
Oh yeah. 100% it
Molly 29:27
should be one tablespoon. That's right. Okay, potential accidents or hazards.
Matthew Amster-Burton 29:34
I mean, I guess like puncturing by what about urinary tracts would be right up there. Okay, so I have a real answer to this. This has happened to be in the kitchen multiple times that I there's like a steak knife in the in like the Civil War a copy of the of the dish trainer. And as I'm like pulling something else out, I flip it out of there and two separate times. It has landed stuck into the linoleum floor. You're like standing up, and I'm like, oh, that could have been my foot.
Molly 30:04
Yeah, I have definitely dropped. So this is one reason why I don't like leaving sharp knives in the dish. drainer. Like, I will always dry them off and put them away right away.
Matthew Amster-Burton 30:16
You think you're You think you're better than me?
Molly 30:17
I do because I do accept my spouse leaves strainer all the time. So
Matthew Amster-Burton 30:22
I'm the culprit in this house.
Molly 30:24
I have dropped sharp knives multiple times. And I am not somebody who is always working in the kitchen with close toed shoes. Yeah, me neither. And it is always terrifying. I've never actually hurt myself. But every time I feel like I have had a brush with a life altering event. Yeah, because I have
Matthew Amster-Burton 30:46
another one that like literally, it's a literal recoil in horror, because I did this recently. And luckily, like recoiled quickly enough that it wasn't a serious injury is you put a cast iron pan in the oven, like Baking, baking something real hot in there. And then you're like, Oh, I'm gonna grab this pan by the handle. And like, as you're starting to touch it like that was exactly the sound I made.
Molly 31:12
Ash was reminding me the other day of some burns that I got from making toffee a couple years ago, I can see that. And the burns were like on the inside of my arm. It was like a splash. But the beautiful thing about the human memory is I don't really remember it. But you just did well, but Ash was describing it to me. And I was like, huh, yeah, I mean, I remember that I burned myself and that I had, you know, kind of this like, I mean, it definitely like bubbled up. Yeah. But I don't remember the pain.
Matthew Amster-Burton 31:44
Yeah, I'm trying to think of are there any other things that like haven't happened in the kitchen? But could I worry about them? No, I tried to live in a dream world. I've never
Molly 31:52
like dropped a full pot of something liquid. Yeah. Real bad. I mean, that just sounds terrible. Not only having to clean up liquid from like, everywhere, but also having it be boiling hot liquids. Yeah,
Matthew Amster-Burton 32:07
that would that yeah, like dumping hot liquid on myself. That's probably the worst one. Well, yes. I mean, you would be seriously injured. So but yeah, I don't know. Maybe I should like stick to like cold soups from now. Probably. Okay.
Molly 32:20
Matthew, what's your snack in? Hey, watch
Matthew Amster-Burton 32:23
your snacking. Daddy. Gotta tell me what you snack in. Or I'll release the Kraken. So what's your snack in? Just I don't think I've talked about this one on the show before there is a brand of granola called Love crunch. Thank you for having you talked and we talked about it before. Oh, now. All right. Well, maybe on the granola episode. Anyway. I'm eating love crunchy peanut butter chocolate granola. It's It's great with milk. It's great by itself as a snack. I also just like the name because as as we have long said my love for the crunch is fierce. That's right. That was from the milkshakes episode.
Molly 33:02
Ah, I'm snacking but I'm just snacking on the usual stuff. Okay, great. Our producer is Abbey circuit tele. That's right. And you can rate and review us wherever you get your podcasts
Matthew Amster-Burton 33:13
and you can talk to other others bill but wait a minute. We didn't talk about our favorite food packaging. Oh, we got to get back. All right. You thought you thought the show was over. But it is
Molly 33:23
not. It is not over. You know, for some reason what's coming to mind for me is my least favorite food packaging. I'll be to like the like the goldfish bag, right? Oh, the goldfish bag is so dumb. On the other hand, you know what's really good? Is the goldfish carton. Like when you buy a big one.
Matthew Amster-Burton 33:38
Yes and no. The problem is like it gets stale too fast because it doesn't actually close.
Molly 33:44
Ours hasn't gotten stale. And we've had it for a while. Okay. Okay, my least favorite packaging is so when I buy either Strauss plain yogurt or like the Trader Joe's like European style home milk, plain yogurt. A lot of yogurts, frankly. You take off the plastic lid and then there's a thin sheet of plastic that's like adhered to the container and you peel that off. Oh, yeah. Yogurt always sticks to it. And it often also tears when you're pulling it off. It doesn't come off cleanly.
Matthew Amster-Burton 34:16
I hate it. Okay, the question was about favorite shot. Sorry, sorry. No, that's okay. You know what, okay, one of my favorite food packaging is when they introduced the peel off Oreo. I was about to say that was brilliant like that because Oreos really do get stale instantly if they're exposed to air that really works. Really reseals
Molly 34:38
I was just remembering when we did an Oreo episode and I'd never encountered that packaging before
Matthew Amster-Burton 34:42
you remember the end and Yeah, and like I got so mad. I stormed out and then I realized we recorded my house. Yeah,
Molly 34:49
I wish that they used that packaging for graham crackers because graham crackers get stale instantly. And they're always just in that little sort of crinkly plastic. Like sleeve and it's pointless. Yeah, totally. Okay, but my favorite packaging. Gosh, I do think the peel and stick is great. Yeah.
Matthew Amster-Burton 35:07
So I steal your Oreo. I'm like, what makes what makes food packaging great. It's like that it lets you dispense the amount you want or that it's easy to reseal in a useful way. Right?
Molly 35:20
I mean that it counts that it reduces waste, I think
Matthew Amster-Burton 35:24
yeah, maybe the best packaging is no patch
Molly 35:26
and that you don't get your hands dirty. I think too. Yeah, cuz like,
Matthew Amster-Burton 35:31
yeah, I keep thinking of bad ones also because like the good ones you don't notice because they're just doing their job and it's not fair. We should notice them.
Molly 35:38
I mean, like I feel quite torn, for instance, about buying the squeeze thing of Hellman's mayonnaise or best foods mayonnaise, as opposed to the tub where you unscrew the top or the Squeezy thing so much better, so much better. However, I feel like there's always some weird Squeezy stuff you can't get out of there
Matthew Amster-Burton 35:58
of course Yeah, and that bothers me. One other that I really like of course, I'm gonna name a Japanese thing fine there's there's a brand called Meiji the chocolate that is sold at convenience stores in Japan. I think I've seen it like add a watermark to it comes in like a pay a cardboard box that you like lift the tab and then there are these little individually wrapped chocolate squares inside so satisfying. So pleasing. Okay. All right. Talk to other people, everything spilled milk.reddit.com And until next time, thank you for listening to spilled milk to hosts 14 urinary tracts.
Molly 36:35
Molly wise and
Matthew Amster-Burton 36:37
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Molly 36:45
here I am just talking and talking and talk in boop boop boop doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo dee dee. You guys gotten your fun Malmo advent calendar. Not doing it this year. You're not doing it this year. Did you? Did you make a decision together? You did you sit down and talk about what advent calendars you were doing?
Matthew Amster-Burton 37:07
Yeah, it was it was the most intense family meeting we've ever had
Molly 37:12
how scintillating conversation I had no idea huh